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Time to Judge to Transfer Window - Summer 22

Right folks, seems like a great chance for everyone to give this window a score out of 10 and then your reasons.

I'll go first.

Score: 8/10

The Good

We lost 2 key first teamers and 2 fringe first teamers - in return we've brought 9 players to the club which has brought the average age right down and added depth to a very thin squad.

We got the bulk of our business done early.

We have re-signed a troop of the best U23's.

We have aligned the squad to the way JM wants to play and so far we've seen good signs.

The value for money approach has clearly worked with the giant benefit from Raphinha and the price we've paid for guys who are clearly already worth more.

At the end of the window we're 6th in the PL - way ahead of our target - as a result of the new players, Aarondsen, Adams, Roca have been outstanding so far.

The Bad

Sad to see KP leave his club, although it was inevitable so that's not about blaming the bigwigs.

Did we need a LB? I'm still not sure, but Struijk and Firpo are what we have so let's hope it's not going to hurt us.

Did we need a proper striker? We have lots of young bodies who play as forwards, but only Paddy B still as an out and out target man.

The Ugly

The Bamba Dieng thing was a farce - Radz should know better than to get involved in Twitter conversations. We have a poor record on deadline day for messed up deals.

Lets see those scores on the doors....

40 comments

40 Comments

Daniel2

Oct 18, 2022

We have created a squad that has potential to be high quality but those players are young and not actually playing which inturns is damaging their careers and our future as well.

RB: Drameh - is better then Ayling but needs to be playing. Championship game time needed now.

LCB: Hjelde - is almost already at Coopers level. Young but needs playing time. Championship game time needed now.

RCB: Cresswell - Shown already ar Championship he is almost ready.

CM: Gyabi - Darko needs league 1 game time needed now.

CM: Gray - Archie needs first team football. League 1 game time needed now.

RW: Summerville - is already good enough for 70 minutes a game in the EPL.

LW: Gnonto - Needs English football game time. 6 month in the Championship and he is ready to start next season.

Striker: Gelthardt, Perkins, Greenwood - All need 90 minutes a week every week and Championship is where it should be. 6 month and they will be ready.

Out and out Striker: Joseph - 10 minute a game each week in the first team and 90 minutes in the 21's. Next season a season loan championship next season.

Roca has proved to be a Okon clone... Unimpressed and think he needs to play higher up the park. Not a DCM.

Ayling, Cooper and Forshaw should be told thank you for your service but fcuk off now.

Funny how our best reserve keeper was sold in the offseason and he is showing it in the Italian serieB.

Oct 17, 2022

Think we will go for a LB and experienced No9.

We spent nothing this summer so there is a decent pot available

guy.permentier

Oct 19, 2022

Replying to

It is Soopa.

All the reason to do it then,... ASAP.

Can't think of an investment that would give such a big return that swiftly.

Understand that we need to be savy with the money, and a new shiny ER wouldn't do us much good in the Championship.

Hopefully when the 49RS take full control, they will also find financially big enough partners/sponsors to rebuild ER (West Stand & Kop?).

Come to think about it, £100M (nowadays) isn't really an awful lot of money, when considering we sold Rapha for about £50M+.

→ It's a bit like when we sold Batty to Blackburn for £2,7M to construct the East Stand + we asked fans to buy their seat for x-amount of years.

Oct 20, 2022

Replying to

I read it will be in the £300 million mark to build a new west stand properly.

Knock down the old build the new but for about a season a loss of about 10K on attendances which is costly too.

Capacity only likely to go up by about 8K but more corporate facilities.

It is the Don Revie stand that will come next followed by the Norman Hunter Stand if we can figure out how to do it.

We need to be a regular Prem Team though

Soopaleeds

Oct 20, 2022

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BB - Here's my source - it's an article copied from the YEP, hopefully reasonably solid source - obviously subject to inflation like every other cost in the UK right now!!!

Leeds United owner Andrea Radrizzani has explained how the Whites can pocket an additional £50million by extending Elland Road.

The Whites are now looking into expanding the stadium, which currently holds just under 38,000.

Though, there is a mammoth waiting list for season tickets, and not only could Leeds do with a bigger stadium, but there are also areas in need of a facelift.

Until now, the Whites have been cautious in expanding the stadium, given they are only recently coming out of a long period outside the Premier League.

Leeds have been in the Premier League for two seasons at this point, and they only overcame second season syndrome by the skin of their teeth.

The Whites secured safety on the final day of last season, but now in their third campaign, they will be hoping they are over the biggest challenge of their latest Premier League spell.

Boosted by the money that comes with two seasons in the top flight, Leeds can now look at expanding the stadium.

And in an interview with The Athletic, owner Radrizzani has provided an update.

“I always said to Angus Kinnear (Leeds’ chief executive), we’ll look at the expansion of the stadium when we’re in the third year of the Premier League,” he said.

“The chance to go back in the Championship is very high in the first and second year but much lower after.

“Now we can move on. Angus has initiated some activities to finance the project. It will be over £100million to renovate the West Stand and build it to a 55,000 capacity. We’re going step by step but, hopefully, we move soon with a financial partner.

Soopaleeds

Oct 17, 2022

still rumours there will be a signing in january

Soopaleeds

Oct 14, 2022

another thread sinking in gummies crap

TC10

Oct 13, 2022

I love Hattrick but he does seem to be very injury prone and a team needs a main striker to be fit for most of the season.

This is the only big change I'd make in January IF we look like getting dragged into the relegation battle.... problem is that big name strikers cost more money in the January transfer window AND we've only got a few more games before then with the World Cup shutdown!

I'm not writing him off but just don't think he should be the main man now and for a club to progress they need a striker to guarantee goals....

I'd love to see Perkins, Geldhart, Gnonto, Summerville, Drameh, Hjelde and Gyabi given game time to see if they can be starters next season.... tough balance though.

Soopaleeds

Oct 13, 2022

Replying to

I keep looking at the 4-2-3-1 formation. It doesn't lend itself to promoting many of our young stars

I still can't see where Gnonto/Gelhardt fit into that system.

Greenwood is seemingly being converted into a centre mid, the 3 behind the striker is where Perkins may eventually find a home (on the right of the 3 maybe?)

Is Hjelde a LB or a LCB? Drameh is in a queue behind 2 others.....

The only ones who have a clear and obvious home from the U21's are:

Joseph - he's an out and out No9 in the making

Summerville - wide right

Gyabi - centre mid

TC10

Oct 13, 2022

Replying to

As much as we all love Ayling, I'd put Drameh as 2nd choice RB now. Rasmussen has done well last couple of games but he was bought as an ATTACKING RB which we haven't seen yet. I know defending is the priority for a RB but we haven't seen him bombing into the box to get crosses in like he did for his former club and his country.

Hjelde will be quality but Strujik is our left footed CB and they both behind Coops for probably another season....

We've played 4-2-3-1 or 4-1-4-1 since Bielsa. I'm not saying that is a bad thing but I'm old school and would love 2 up top to give other teams 3, 4 or 5 defenders more of a problem.... 2 fkn strikers! That does mean we've got NINE other players to defend!

How good could a Perkins, Gnonto or Geldhart be playing off a fully fit Hattrick Bamford.... or Ivan Toney!

guy.permentier

Oct 13, 2022

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My gut feeling is that we'll probably be in the R-batlle.

But again, in terms of youngsters starting in the Premiership, → a lot if not all will depend on our league position.

Not sure we should throw them in when we're struggling to get points .

Also, will we have the time and luxury to give all those players sufficient game time in the Premiership? What would be a fair amount of games?

Furthermore the gap between U-23/U-21 level and Premiership is HUGE!

guy.permentier

Oct 12, 2022

Would expect some movement in January, depending on our position in the league table.

Smurf

Oct 13, 2022

Replying to

I don't expect any movement unless Harrison leaves. I'd much rather see the better u21s given games in the senior team. We've some real assets there. It makes no sense blocking their path to the first XI.

Oct 11, 2022

KP has not played real minutes since we sold him. Adams looks better as a DCM, Roca can as good as him. Brendan and Sinister Terror are better than Rafa. Gyabi, Gnonto and Perkins are huge future talents. So all in all a good window

Smurf

Sep 06, 2022

Re. Phillips, you have to remember he was in the final year of his contract and could have gone for nothing in 2023. As it is, Footballtransfermarket.com valued him at £45m and Raphinha at £40m so anything we might have lost on Kelvin, we got back on Raphinha. Swings and Roundabouts. Swings and roundabout.

Enoch's extra leg

Sep 04, 2022

it was a really difficult transfer window for VO,we lost our 2 best players in Raf and Kalvin.

Raf was our top scorer and probably top for assists and our most skillfull player.The Stat that was going around last season is we didn't pick up many points when KP didn't play.

so we sold our best 2 players and sold/loaned out a bunch of fringe players but we have a better rounded squad I think this season.

Aaronson looks a great signing

Roca & Adam's look solid

Sinisterra isn't match fit yet but looks like he could be a decent signing.

I rate the window 6/10-we sold Philip's too cheap imo.

At the start of the summer it was obvious we needed a left back & a number 9,we didn't sign either.

That 6/10 could be bumped up to a 7 or 8 depending if the likes of Gnoto, Perkins, Gyabi,etc can break into the first team.

Our net spend was minimal when you take into account we bought in 100 million+ from players sold,I don't get why we didn't have more money to spend,we sell out every home game our fan base is expanding so more merch sales,etc.

I don't think we will go down this season but we won't be too far above the drop zone 14th -16th position would be my prediction..

Sep 04, 2022

Our finances - it looks like the classic example of an owner wanting to sell his business in the near future, so restricts the amount of investment.

49's need to sort this out soon and not wait to Jan 2024.

Enoch's extra leg

Sep 05, 2022

Replying to

Philip's was the starting dcm in the English team and still young enough at 26,when you consider the fee's Girlish & Maguire went for I think we should have got at least 50 -60 million ..

Bull Thick With Drink

Sep 06, 2022

Replying to

And to flip that argument EEL (price for players)

Gabriel Jesus - Manchester City, £45m

Would you have taken Jesus off City and expected £5-15m off them for Kalvin?

Soopaleeds

Sep 06, 2022

Replying to

A good point Bull - could do that for Haaland v Rapha too.

What is missing from these value comments is an understanding this is a person not a piece of furniture.

KP may have gone for more money if we'd been willing to sell to Manure or he was willing to go there - we weren't and he wasn't.

We have done very well out of Man City - Harrison for £11M anyone?

guy.permentier

Sep 04, 2022

Hm, after JM's press conference, I'm even more baffled as to why and James was allowed to go? To make way & to balance the squad/team.

For an 18-year old, JM called one for the future & not ready for first team action?

From going after CDK, Gapko, Bamba for record transferfees (+ the wages to fit) to Gnonto with James having to make way.

Something's not right. Are we skint?

Net outlay this season was what?

James must be feeling swell, JM didn't want him to go either, he wanted to stay.

They splashed 25/27Million on him and now shove him out the door for a U23?

James probably can't wait to come back.

Board get a shxtload towards them, if results & performances don't pick up.

1972Glory

Sep 04, 2022

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In public, James will give the soundings that he wanted to stay and fight for his place, however in private he knows that with the World Cup coming up he needs plenty of game time and in the right position, so the move to Fulham makes some sense.

As to what the club's finances are like? I've given up trying to understand that for sometime.

Smurf

Sep 04, 2022

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Somebody always had to leave in order to bring in another striker. Had we signed de Ketelaire, then Harrison would have almost certainly been sold. The club has been pretty up front about their one in, one out policy and about having a small first team squad. There’s no point paying wages to players to be on the fringes of the team. I personally didn’t want James to leave but we already have nine players competing for eight forward slots so someone had to go. Think we did well getting two superb talents in Perkins and Gnonto, both of who will definitely play this year. I’m glad we didn’t sign Gapko or Bamba - I think both would have been a step down from James.

Daniel2

Sep 03, 2022

This window for me is a wait and see for our overall marks. For the first team I will rate it as 5 out of 10. The reason for this mark is because we needed a CM, DCM, St, and LB. So we filled 2 of the 4 needs which makes 50% successful. Time will tell if the players will succeed but on paper they have the attributes to.

Now if I am rating the U21's transfer then it is a 10 out of 10. Darko G, Perkins, and now this kid we signed at 10:59pm deadline.

TC10

Sep 02, 2022

I feel sorry for Dan James as he wanted to stay and fight for his place and was virtually forced out of the door.... he didn't have much luck with us!

Did he ever play 5 games in a row in his preferred position? He was either an impact sub or played as a fkn centre forward because we fkd up with only having Bamford as striker.... having Harrison and Raphinha as first choices didn't help him!

I really wanted him to sign for us purely because of his raw pace and built him up.... I do think there's a good player there in a couple of years.

Good luck Dan....

Smurf

Sep 03, 2022

Replying to

I’m with you on this TC. You can’t teach raw pace to a player or coach them to run with the ball. Dan James is a very talented player and I would t be adverse to him playing for us again. I wish him the best at Fulham.

The squad though is too large so somebody had to go.

1972Glory

Sep 02, 2022

I would concur at an 8 out of 10 ( points lost for the last day fiasco!).

guy.permentier

Sep 02, 2022

Views and rates from fans will change depending on performances and even more so with results.

But from what I've seen thus far we should be ok, unless we get hit by a crazy amount of injuries.

On to the transferbusiness, as expected we lost Rapha, Kalvin.

Still not totally happy with their fees, but from the looks of it, we've spend well both in terms of net outlay and with the quality of players signed.

Transfer deadline day is something we should avoid, do your business earlier.

Points: a very nice 7!

Bonus: we're well in FFP guidelines and there should still be enough in the kitty (if needed).

Sep 02, 2022

Its an 8 for me. Great to get players in early + sign an experienced back up keeper.

It would have been a 10 if we signed a proper No9 and a LB

However Pascal is playing well as the LB and Willy could be he signing of the season. Lightening quick and loves to run with the ball.

Bull Thick With Drink

Sep 02, 2022

Short & Sweet

Good - Doing business early (a welcome change, so wanted early signatures for a longtime)

Bad - Losing Kalvin (loved him, always did, he is LEEDS) but him leaving was always going to happen because unfortunately LEEDS cant offer CL / European football and every international player wants to play in that competition.

Score 8

TC10

Sep 02, 2022

Good write up Soopa and I wanted to go last to copy others as I haven't got my own brain....

I'm not sure about Roca yet as I've only seen games on the tv and he doesn't seem to be totally involved. However, he's one of those players that keeps the ball ticking over etc and my season ticket mate says he does a lot of work off the ball....

Gyabi could be quality in there alongside Adams but I'd keep it as it is at the moment....

Hopefully, Hattrick will get fitness and goals soon and I'd love to see Willy get a chance although Geldhart won't be happy!

Sonny Perkins also needs to be in the squad NOW. My West Ham mate is gutted he left and reckons he's the next big thing. No point in keeping him in the u23s as he's already ripped that up and proved he's too good for that....

I'm going to give a score of either 6, 7 or 8....hope that helps 😉🙈🤔😲