MDT Norwich city V Leeds united

James created the goal for Rafa. Great first touch and superb pass.

I did not really fancy him as a LUFC player, but now he wears the famous white shirt he has my backing. IMO he is getting slightly better each game.

However, putting up a 5'6" guy up against 6'2" CBs is a hard task. Needs the ball to feet.

KP as a No.8 is not effective IMO. He is a No.6. I hope MB stops pandering to Southgate's whims.

Yes he had the assist for our second goal but we are not as effective with him playing further upfield.

Harrison just needs to play himself back into form.

The verbals are needed, Saying nothing gets you nothing if the other team keeps giving the ref gip. Maybe, we are learning?

Harrison will be fine and simply going through a bad patch.... unfortunately, when he's not good he looks really poor but his defensive workrate will still be good.

Geldhart plays in exactly the same position as Roberts in that he can play up top or the man behind the striker.... he just does it better than Roberts so it's unbelievable that Roberts gets the nod ahead of him.

I must admit Bull that I didn't see any verbals between any of our players.... it's only natural though in whatever standard you play at, even local parks football, that players aren't exactly the same as when everything is going your way. Drameh did actually say that he couldn't expect anything more from a nicer set of lads who welcomed him into the first team recently....

It's similar to this forum that when things aren't going quite right on the pitch for us, I get loads of pm's slaughtering yourself and Lord Frostycock about your insane and c-rap posts....

I obviously don't agree with them though and would never even have thought to call you an alcoholic buffoon to be sure....

Harrison had a mare yesterday no matter what he tried nothing went his way, id prefer to forget that and cut the guy a bit of slack seeing as he had many a good day in the LUFC jersey.

I was scratching my head (again) when tyler came on. I was hoping Gelhardt would have gotten some time especially as rodders had yet another mare (sadly not his first in the white jersey). Can only now imagine how the canaries backline would have coped with him but sadly nobody will ever know the answer to that now.

One thing i did notice more so than in other televised games our players seem to be mouthing back, cooper a few times, rahpa again a good few times. Dont know were they being directed at another leeds player or the ref but ive noticed that now recently where as last year or indeed the championship winning year everyone seemed to be focused on the next ball the next play and nobody was engaging in verbals. Maybe its me in my old age!!!

I really wanted James to be signed for us although I did want a creative centre midfielder instead. I have always loved Harrison and his crossing, workrate and defending are unbelievable....

However, both players are MASSIVELY underperforming this season and I'd have a little tweak with the formation. We're playing 2 wingers + Raphinha and simply not getting crosses in....

James is NOT a centre forward. If we're playing this false 9 then surely Geldhart and Rodrigo can switch between them....?

I'd drop James and Harrison and bring in Summerville and Geldhart as they're in form....

I'm also surprised that such an attacking manager thinks that Forshaw has a place in the team!? He's slow, non creative and a Championship 'bits and pieces' type of player. Surely Bate is a better bet!?

This will never happen though as Bielsa is so unbelievablely loyal to his squad especially after we've just got a win.... I'm just surprised that Raphinha gets in ahead of Roberts.

Take away injuries out of the equation and we are nowhere near last season’s performance.

For me the managers use of the squad is in question.

Three wingers yesterday? My goodness the manager loves a winger, but even taking that point how does he justify Harrison inclusion over Summerville based on form?

Far to much loyalty to his ( small ) first team squad.

I think Spurs are a disgrace. I never like to see a manager given such little time in the job, and I would imagine Kane and his agent will be pretty non plussed. Graham Potter and Conte are the favourites but would any upcoming manager want to work for Deadly Dan?

see that smurf

i know their results have been well off whats expected but what did Daniel levy expect him to do??? NES has had no reasonable opportunity to put his stamp on the team, has all the hallmarks of players just turning up for training if they are picked to play fine but nobody is accountable on the playing side!!

Id say the price tag for Harry Kane has dipped considerably from this time last season.

No need to worry about Nuno ES Bull, he's history.

Well Done Ice Ice Baby!! Keep the run going, please!

First and foremost we have the 3 points this morning and at the end of the day we are out of the bottom 3.

Secondly apart from Rapha the rest of the team were no where near where they should be in terms of performance

Sadly tho they were the only two positives i could see from yesterdays game.

Lets face it lads it was a terrible mistake by Krul to let rodders goal in, would we have still won it?? i dont know!!!

I thought Kalvin was way off his best, we kept giving away stupid fouls letting them off the hook too easily and in turn putting ourselves under unnecessary pressure.

Their goal what was Mesiler trying to do??? very sloppy and something he needs to eradicate from his game. Also he was lucky not to have one of his clearances blocked down, yes he was fouled but the other strikers in the PL will all see that they might think they could have a chance in winning the ball against him. MB wont address this but jezz Cooper and Philips should be.

Our next 3 games are against teams that will be in the top 10 and one that will be mid table so the difference in class to what we faced yesterday will be evident. Leicester at ER will be the hardest i feel but Spurs and Nuno ES (if still there) will feel they have to win and we know Kane & Son will try everything to get on the scoresheet that day. Last one before the silly season starts Brighton (away) will be another difficult task so if we get another 4 points from the next 9 id take it tbh.

Well done iceman our first away victory of the season keep the run going buddy as my gut is telling me its going to be a long long season and talk of the trap door will be popping up in conversation fairly frequently.

Agree Smurf. Shacks had a decent first half, then faded.

Harrison was very poor, at times passing straight to Norwich players standing

3 yards away? Nearly cost us a goal with Coops making that foul just outside the box. Have been saying it for ages, Meslier trying to be too cocky/cool cost us that equalizer + he needs to kick the ball and not stroke it every single time. Hope he learns from that mistake.

As Soopa said the win was all important even if it doesn't feel like one, probably because we all know that against any other team in this division that performance would have resulted in defeat.

Warning signs were there for all to be seen during pre-season, squad is not only thin (the way MB wants it?) but lacks cover and quality in several vital positions. At the same time we do have an abundance of the same type players.

So yes, we've been very unlucky with injuries and players losing form (certainly compared to last season overall form), but (to me) in reality we've not strengthened the squad at all.

I'd say Raphinha was a stand out performance, and his really was a wonder goal, he beat his defenders and then made the shot with pinpoint precision, it was fabulous. Rodrigo's goal was also well taken, in fact he had a decent game though started to fade before being substituted. Dallas was much improved compared to recent performances, and Phillips, Cooper and Struijk were all pretty solid. Llorente seems to have on and off days and today was an off. Neither Harrison nor James made any impact, and Shackleton had a rare game where he was mediocre rather than meritable.

I know we won but it doesn't feel like it.

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Very poor.

Not many stand out performances barring rafinha.

Kalvin not up to speed.

Harrison boots on wrong feet.

etc etc

Norwich are dreadful.

We need to improve plenty.

Ugly, ugly win. But a win, and thank you very much. 7 points in the last 4 matches. Still, we’re waiting for Leeds to come back to the fluent and fast passing game we managed the last three seasons. Some, like Klich, Harrison and Dallas, are bang out of form, and that partly explains it, and James hasn’t really impressed much, either. Moreover, maybe we are experimenting too much with the formation? MOT

We are a pale imitation of last year.

Something‘s not right.

Him and Alioski will have played a big part ICE.

Most of the others also haven't performed at the same high fitness levels.

Keep up the good work ICE

Icelandic commentor talking about the miles Leeds team run in game

They have run a lot less than they did last year in same amount of game

maby it is that we miss Bamford as he is always running all around the pitsh

TC10, are talking about that handball?

Ball did hit his hand but there was zero intent, perhaps they can be given, but to me that's not a pen. If anything it was a miscontrolled ball by James.

We're also always quick to blame the ref for every decision in history going against us but I thought we were lucky not to have a penalty given against us in the 3rd minute when Harrison played keepy uppys.... did it go to VAR!?

This thread would be smoking if that was not given against us with a million conspiracy theories in place re the FA!!

Any team in the Prem with Coops, Forshaw and Roberts on the pitch at the same time is going to be relegated.... add an anonymous Harrison and James to the 3 above and that's a massive 3pts for us but unfortunately only papering over the cracks.

I thought we were very lucky to be playing Norwich who must be the worst ever team in the Prem.

We were slightly quicker in our build up play in the 2nd half but it's nowhere near the same as last season and probably only looked quicker because of the standard of the opposition....

At least we haven't got Oblak, the big CB on loan from Liverpool, who kept thinking he was Messi and dribbled out of the back at every opportunity.... absolutely laughable!

We dug in well but we're far better than that and Raphinha is holding us together with goals, assists and all round looking dangerous....

Any team in the Prem with Coops, Forshaw and Roberts on the pitch at the same time is going to be relegated.... I thought we were very lucky to be playing Norwich who must be the worst ever team in the Prem.

We were slightly quicker in our build up play in the 2nd half but it's nowhere near the same as last season and probably only looked quicker because of the standard of the opposition....

At least we haven't got Oblak, the big CB on loan from Liverpool, who kept thinking he was Messi and dribbled out of the back at every opportunity.... absolutely laughable!

We dug in well but we're far better than that and Raphinha is holding us together with goals, assists and all round looking dangerous....

Indeed Soopa, the points are all that matter at this moment.

Dallas looked a bit more like his oldself. Pascal had a decent game too.

Raphina stands out in terms of quality.

Rodrigo's goal will no doubt further his self belief.

It matters not how we got the points. We got the points.

Now we have some momentum after the Wolves point.

ICE ICE BABY!!!!

At last, a few bits of quality wins us the game.

However overall it still was pretty poor from, we'll have to do much better to get anything from the upcoming games.

We committed a lot stupid fouls and have a tendency to shoot ourselves in the foot.

Very happy with the 3pts but performances need to improve big time

Ha, Rodrigo takes out Biesla.

That was a crap first halt. Luckily for us it was very poor from both sides.

Very much looks like a relegation battle. Norwich seemingly wanting it a bit more. We're often losing the second balls and most battles.

Team looks devoid of any confidence! Pascal has done well, Shack ok, Raphina's our most dangerous and able looking player.

Suppose MB will replace Harrison and Rodrigo, both been booked and the former having a real stinker.

Not looking good at all.

Come on Leeds, wake up!

First half 2 bad teams leeds very poor not the team of the last 2 seasons hopefully we pick it up 2nd half make a few changes need all 3 pints 🙈🙈🙈👍

Yep I like the look as well now if we can buy rice in the next window 😂

I think Sruijk will be in the midfield rather than a third CB. If it works, this might well be the formation from now on. I imagine Phillips will be happier in this role. I also like James, Harrison and Raphinha playing as a front three behind Rodrigo in his natural position. There's a lot to like about it, certainly on paper, and it should surprise opposition teams. I've no doubt Gelhardt will come on as sub at some point as well.

Oh jnr faile to make 40 mins for u23

interesting middle Phillips and struijk

a Southgate two defensive set up?

Meslier, Shackleton, llorente, cooper, struijk, dallas, phillips, raphina, Harrison, James, rodrigo. One midfielder?3 at the back?

When it comes down to must win games, Leeds generally manage to pull a rabbit out of the hat and win them, so I'm cautiously optimistic that we will get the win at Carrow Road today. Given the importance of the game, I would stick with Dallas at left back and leave Firpo on the bench as cover. Dramah I think has done enough to retain the right back position. Personally I would have Llorente and Strujik as the center backs.

Smurf, I hear what you say about Cooper and maybe the stats do present a picture that puts him up there, but to me his defending inside our penalty area is woeful and you feel a penalty is just around the corner. I guess we will just have to differ on our opinions. In the end Bielsa will pick him anyway regardless.

I'm presuming that Roberts and Rodrigo will no doubt start again and offer nothing for at least 45 minutes and then we will send on the youngsters will little of no time to make an improvement. I may be wrong, but somehow doubt it.

Norwich will be out to erase the embarrassment of the drubbing by Chelsea and I expect them to be on the front foot from the off. Provided we don't do anything stupid, we should be able to ride the storm and then impose ourselves as the match progresses. We have genuine pace on the counter attack which should bear fruit as regards goals, we will see.

Must win game

Good luck Ice Ice Baby xxx

We have to win,just have to or I will go into hiding for a few months, mot

If ever there is a must win (six pointer) game...

But both teams will have something to prove and a number of our players did put in plenty of effort in the cup game at Arsenal (first half).

Just hope this time around we'll be able to get some end product, both in terms of finishing/shooting and passing (because at Arsenal we usually picked the wrong pass/option or just effed up the final ball).

It's not unfortunate that Cooper will play, he's ranked as one of the best CBs in the premiership. Every stat going supports that, and finally the pundits are giving him the recognition he deserves, and Scotland are regularly picking him. He has been our best defender over the past 4 and half years - by a country mile, certainly since Orta was appointed, as important as Phillips, Meslier and Bamford in making us tick. It's long since past the time that fans rally behind him and give him recognition for the legacy he has left us. If he was called Dallas, everybody would be drooling at his performances, and still he has done more than any other player to get us promoted, to stay in the premiership and has improved every year since he's been captain. And for those who prefer to suck Koch, remember he's played little more than 18 games for us in 18 months, during which time he's given away penalties, scored own goals, accrued yellow cards and comprehensively failed as the DCM.

Quality MDT Ice and good luck for a prolonged run....

We just KNOW that a team will not go all season without winning a game.... PLEASE GOD DON'T LET IT BE SUNDAY!!

I'd also go with Llorente and Strujik as our CB partnership but unfortunately we KNOW Coops will play....

I'm going for a positive 3-1 victory against the worst side EVER in the Prem.... Raphinha with a brace and a Geldhart stunner.

I remember going to an away game at Carrow Road to watch us when I was lucky enough to get free tickets for all games and sitting in the player's seats between Danny Pugh (lovely down to earth guy who loved Leeds and had a great work ethic) and Michael Ricketts.... I swear to god Ricketts kept touching my leg all game but I was too embarrassed to say anything!

If I'd have shagged him it would be the first time he scored that season....

Alas they lost tonight 4-2, although it was to Arsenal who are second in the table and had Balogun scoring a brace against us. The draw of the first team has had an impact with the U23 side now 8th in their league.

In the mean time I have high hopes we'll get the job done on Sunday - I believe it'll be edgy in parts, but we'll find a way to win 2-1.

Ice, you have this!

Firbo played half hour in tonight game